Curse

JoDiamonds · Jun 07, 2005, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

True, but who in there right mind would pay 100K gold for a superior of valor... thats overkill!

There are some players who have nothing else to spend the money on. This is definitely an issue with GW's economy, and one that could spiral out of control if ArenaNet doesn't treat this issue seriously and early. The later they step in, the harder it will be to fix and the more upset people will be that they didn't do it earlier.

TEFFalcon · Jun 07, 2005, 10:53 PM // 22:53

bad idea... J/K

how about an everything trader Weapons and everything.

ComMan · Jun 07, 2005, 11:34 PM // 23:34

Heavens yes. I wouldn't mind an upgrade trader either, since players will gouge you to hell.

goku19123 · Jun 08, 2005, 03:43 AM // 03:43

If the rune vendor didn't sell all levels of runes, than why have it in the first place? Minors trade for about 50-100 gold now.

Xinaya · Jun 08, 2005, 12:22 PM // 12:22

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Originally Posted by goku19123

If the rune vendor didn't sell all levels of runes, than why have it in the first place? Minors trade for about 50-100 gold now.

It seems to me that rare items aren't so rare anymore if you can just buy them any ol' time you want. I really think minor and maybe (maybe) even major runes should be sold from a trader.. but players should deal with each other to get the rarest of things.. or go get it themselves.

My only thought is that the trader actually needs to give you a sufficient amount for runes that you sell to him. I'm still trying to figure out how they'll give you < 50 eensy-weensies for a dye that's worth over 1k. That is certainly imbalanced. Why do people still spam about selling dye? Because they can sell it for less than the vendor does, and make more money than if they sold it to a vendor. That's why. Everyone wins... except for the vendor concept.

RTSFirebat · Jun 08, 2005, 12:41 PM // 12:41

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Originally Posted by Xinaya

It seems to me that rare items aren't so rare anymore if you can just buy them any ol' time you want. I really think minor and maybe (maybe) even major runes should be sold from a trader.. but players should deal with each other to get the rarest of things.. or go get it themselves.

My only thought is that the trader actually needs to give you a sufficient amount for runes that you sell to him. I'm still trying to figure out how they'll give you < 50 eensy-weensies for a dye that's worth over 1k. That is certainly imbalanced. Why do people still spam about selling dye? Because they can sell it for less than the vendor does, and make more money than if they sold it to a vendor. That's why. Everyone wins... except for the vendor concept.

Well I will say Vendor selling prices are correct... but they're buying prices are overkill!

Realyl selling rare runes is not an issue, they sell black dye which is super rare and still good for massive prices!

The purpose of a rune seller would be to keep the prices at a stable amount.

Currently it like this:

Minors Range from 100g to about 400g
Majors Range from 1K - 9K! (Fire ones are expensive)
Superiors Range from 10K-100K

Sweet Jesus!

10K-100K??? Thats crazy! And again farming for a whole month on end (Since I only get 2 hours of game time a day) to buy a single rune is ****ing unfair to say the least

Drakron · Jun 08, 2005, 03:47 PM // 15:47

Yes, its crazy and I support the idea of a rune trader.

Reason is simple, you can sell a ninor one with somewhat ease if you are lucky and smart, going to Old Ascalon and selling it to people that just started that area and are unlikely to find one.

The market for major ones is were?

Lion's Arch its not, I see people trying to trade there and it seens dead ... I guess its possible to sell ninor ones there but there are less people willing to buy.

The problem is the place were there is a market for it (since there are players with enough wealth for then) they are also full of then and people saturate the trade channels because we start to get fed up with the inventory and storage being full of runes and upgrades and want to get rid of then.

But we know the merchant price is well under its real price so we still hoard then.

Rune economy already failed because the full rune market is set on the later stages of the game (pre-ascenion) that is overrun with rune traders that are all after the people that have 10.000 gp in gold that are in the market to buy a rune and truth be told it does not seen to be that many.

Sure a superior Vigor rune might go over 50k but the people that can afford that already farmed other superior runes and rather farm for a vigor that spend gold in one (since they want to unlock it for PvP).

I think the only runes worth of 50k are superior unID ones so we can unlock then for PvP, the market for runes would simply move for unID one that would be smaller and less inclined to clutter the trade channel and allow the players to clean the inventory without feeling being rip off by the trader NPC.

Sandman Uk · Jun 08, 2005, 05:43 PM // 17:43

I am so missing the point here. Whats with all the economy. Who cares if someone is hoarding 3 million gold. What does it get him????? would you notice me if i was the richest person in Guild wars and walked past. Maybe i would have the best armour????but thats available to all. Theres no league ladder that ive seen that shows whos the richest guild or individual. The prices are crazy at the moment. 80k+ for superior vigors 100k for guild Sigills. The sigill trader has brought the prices down on the Sigs, If they went for a Rune trader then I would think in the future we would be asking for elite skill shops and max damage weapon traders??? Still sitting on the fence on this one :S

Drakron · Jun 08, 2005, 06:00 PM // 18:00

There is already a Sigil Trader for the Celestial Sigil.

Weapons trading is not that much of a problem since even the most powerful weapon is not going to reach the 10.000 mark, the most expensive weapon right now appear to be Dragon Swords (I guess Chaos Axes would be next) and they end up being at most 3.000 gp.

Elite Skills are also not a problem, everyone can get a Elite skill if they know what boss have it and have a signet to capture it (I got got elite skills already and was not even trying), no need for a trainer since right a Elite cost the same as a signet of capture and a little of time, even if implemented it would serve no purpose.

ANet want us to farm for skills and trade ... they want us to play and talk with other people but they dont want a economy with such high prices for some items, they changed the sigils drop rate to lower the prices but that is not working, people hoard the sigils and demand high prices and that is what happened with dye, if there is a NPC that buys and sells sigils then they will have control over the prices and force players to lower their prices.

RTSFirebat · Jun 08, 2005, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by Sandman Uk

I am so missing the point here. Whats with all the economy. Who cares if someone is hoarding 3 million gold. What does it get him????? would you notice me if i was the richest person in Guild wars and walked past. Maybe i would have the best armour????but thats available to all. Theres no league ladder that ive seen that shows whos the richest guild or individual. The prices are crazy at the moment. 80k+ for superior vigors 100k for guild Sigills. The sigill trader has brought the prices down on the Sigs, If they went for a Rune trader then I would think in the future we would be asking for elite skill shops and max damage weapon traders??? Still sitting on the fence on this one :S

Now that is just stupid talk

The point is not HOW much money people have... its WHAT they are DOING to get that said money!

Charging people insane 50K-100K prices for runes is not logical. Read the whole thread next time

JoDiamonds · Jun 09, 2005, 05:09 AM // 05:09

Yay, thank you ArenaNet. This thread certainly makes it look like you are listening, anyway. =-}

Jun 21, 2005, 05:33 PM // 17:33

oh yes, thank you so much A-net. I mean, hey if you can't find a RARE item, why not just buy it.

The rune trader and scroll trader both take away the aspect of runes and scrolls being rare and allow the average joe to just waltz over to the rune trader and buy as many Superior Illusion runes as he wants for 120g a pop. Now farming is just out of the question. Why have fun playing the game when you could get superior runes after you sear and be an unbeatable lvl 3?

Hebug · Jun 21, 2005, 06:07 PM // 18:07

Because as a level 3 loaded with a superior rune you would have an awesome 65 hp. Tempting I know.

JoDiamonds · Jun 21, 2005, 06:48 PM // 18:48

Hey, you can add a superiour vigor too. ;-)

Hebug · Jun 21, 2005, 06:55 PM // 18:55

Ah yes, I forgot. Are those selling for 125 gold now as well? :P

Jun 21, 2005, 07:46 PM // 19:46

it was just an example. Superior Vigors are like 100 plat,I am aware of that, my point is what is the use of having a rare item when you can just buy it? Where's the rare in that?

JoDiamonds · Jun 21, 2005, 08:09 PM // 20:09

It's still rare, for what it's worth.

Even if you can buy them, you can only buy them after a human has found one and sold it. There's still less Superior runes than Major, which there are less of than Minor. Rare is only relative.

Night Daftshadow · Jun 21, 2005, 08:50 PM // 20:50

the past week i salvaged 3 major runes. all were worth 25gp at rune trader. sold each for only 100gp because they only cost 150-200gp at trader. this is so crappy!

at least i bought a superior tactics for only 942gp

Jun 23, 2005, 04:13 PM // 16:13

see. Without the rune trader runes (even minors that dont cost much like mesmer runes) went for many a good few Ks in the world, but now you can only sell it for what it's worth at the trader. Old prices alre laughed at.

Sluggs · Jun 23, 2005, 06:35 PM // 18:35

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

Now that is just stupid talk

The point is not HOW much money people have... its WHAT they are DOING to get that said money!

Charging people insane 50K-100K prices for runes is not logical. Read the whole thread next time

The rune trader is a trader. His buy and sell prices are determined by supply and demand. The trader is just a vastly more efficient and fair alternative to direct player-player trading, he charges about 25% for the service. He is actually a gold sink taking about 25% of his turnover out of the economy.

If a rune sells for 100 plat it is because enough people have 100 plat to buy it. If you will never have 100 plat that is your problem not being smart enough to figure out how to make money in the game.

If people play more hours per day than you do they will obviously progress through the game and acquire gold and items faster than you do - live with it.